HI, Everyone

topic posted Mon, August 30, 2004 - 5:35 AM by  Susan
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I am so glad I found this tribe. My boyfriend has back problems... in the middle of the night he goes elsewhere to sleep. It always hurts my feelings.... I need help...
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Susan
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    HI, Everyone

    Wed, September 1, 2004 - 8:20 PM
    For me it's the self-consciousness of being a bad sleeper that drives me to seek another bed, not the inadequacy of my partner, former partners, since I have none now. But my miserable sleeping habits keep the other person awake. So, in my case, having to pee a hundred times a night, I sit there and suffer and try to wait as long as possible till the pain becomes unbearble, when, if I'd been sleeping in the other room, I'd already have been relaxed hours ago.

    Healthy sleepers just can't imagine how difficult it is to sleep when there's a physical problem. In truth, bed-sharing is for the ultra-healthy, those of very, very healthy body and mind. I remember when I was young no one thought twice of these problems. They were simply dealth with. But this same bed theory is actaully very new, on a historical level, and in most societies it had never occured to people that spooning for eight straight hours without even twitching was actaully mandatory. In short, your feelings get hurt because, on some level, it's just hard to believe that the other person isn't kind of faking the pain to get away from you, or pretending it's a physical problem just because they dislike intimacy and so on.

    But look at it from other factors. Has one's conversational life gotten worse? Does the person like to be with you less overall? Has the relationship been deteriorating in other areas? Is there a real sense that the partner is sexually turned off to the other partner? If not, then it's quite likely the sleeping problem is only a sleeping problem. One way me and my ex resolved it, and we made it for five years, a victory for this day and age, was that we had daytime cuddle sessions for an hour or two here and there. But we did these at a time where there was no pressure or duty to fall asleep. And, if I feel asleep next to her for an hour or two, great. If not, no big deal, we got in some good closeness. But the other days of the week, or at night, the partner has to get up and go to work, and is already a bit keyed up about that, and then if they can't relax because they need to toss and turn or move around or get up a lot, then the self-consciousness and confinement can become maddening because then the bad sleeper is thinking about what a horrible work day it will be and so on.

    In other words, if a person really dislikes being intimate with another person, they won't just draw away on the co-bedding front, they'll also be pulling away in other areas too. Plus, you may find, as other hurt spouses did, that after they finally got used to the idea, that they liked it better anyway. For one thing, default intimacy, that is the rule that we will be close every night automatically, really makes the decision to feel close rather disappear, so that the getting next to each other becomes a ritual rather than a gift. It's very exciting to have one's partner "DECIDE" they want to come into one's room and cuddle, as opposed to them shlepping over there to give out the mandatory quota of hugging. There was even a show on television where they interviewed separate bed couples, and to a tee, they all said it was way more romantic, because it was not a duty to lay next to the other person, but something one found one missed and sought out, which made the other partner feel more attractive after all. Put another way, since it's my job to simply force myself to be close upon command each night, how would one know if this particular night, I really was moved by a particular feeling or a spontaneous rush of love, since the way one would communicate it would be to go up to the other person and be close, but since closeness is already mandated and obligatory and forced, then all moods dissolve into just routine. This was the perspective of the folks in this documentary.

    So, at first, due to health, I got into this separate beds thing, but later, I found it to be truly more intimate and genuine than the "duty to march to this bed every night". In other words, one is made to stop and think, "How do I feel? Do I feel close? If so, isn't that great? If not, then maybe that needs to be looked at?"

    These are my reflections. I hope some have been helpful.

    Truly,

    Shaku.
    • Re: HI, Everyone

      Fri, September 3, 2004 - 1:46 PM
      wow. that has helped me.

      I just thought that my boyfriend was breaking up with me
      just because he didn't want to sleep together.

      maybe he isn't. maybe there is more for us afterall.
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        Sat, September 4, 2004 - 1:57 AM
        Yeah, you didn't mention any other factors, so it's hard to tell, but if there is otherwise no change in the love life, or if the other changes are due to another very explainable cuase, I would not yet trip out. (We always have the opportunity to trip out later. It's not the gods ever cheat us out of that option.)

        But another thing to keep in mind is that some people either have, or develop, a kind of claustrophobia with intimacy. And this does not at all mean that they don't love people or want to be close. They probably still need love and closeness. But some people just get like a caffeine overdose of love more easily than others. Like a person who really loves one cup of coffee in the morning, but finds if they have two, they get a bit shaky and a little mental.

        So, for some folks, they love closeness, crave it and need it like others, but they sometimes just have like a dosage limit, which, by the way, changes over time for many people. Some need to start slowly, instead of going from no love to love 24 hours a day. And still others find they're system is overwhelmed by too much love in the beginning and they pull back, but then gradually approach more and more often later. Or, they just go through predicatable cycles that don't mean anything good or bad about the relationship, but are just simply weekly, quarterly or yearly overloads.

        As this applies to the co-bedding thing. As for myself, people who know me know that I'm one of the most intimate, romantic, sweetheart sort of people, so that I have no aversion to relationships at all. But I found when I got the eight hours of space, well, I noticed, although it started out as a health thing, that the relationships lasted longer because a certain realistic balance was being maintained. So that I notice with co-bedding couples, they tend to get relationships more often, because the separate beds thing is so weird to most people, but, that if they get in one, it usually lasts quite a while. Separate beds people tend to know themselves and their limits and what works for them, hence there tend to be fewer suprises.

        A lot of these sudden breakups I'm always hearing of, lik these two gals I know this year have been relating these stories from their lives. They say, "I don't know what happened. All of the sudden he just exploded into weirdness and suddenly left." And my thought is that the dude was having claustrophobia attacks where he was ODing on closeness and just needed to have some private time, but then the gal was all like then pressuring him, which made him even more spooked out and then a downward spiral ensued. Separate beds people already know how to ask for space and not have it mean the end of the world, and so they are less likely to just end the thing out of nowhere. Generally, with them, the process would be more steady, both going into the relationship and gettting out of it. At least that the view from my particularly slanted place in the world.
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          Sun, September 5, 2004 - 12:22 PM
          wow. that's good.

          I mean, the anaylsis and analogies are good.

          you CAN OD on closeness. I generally crave a lot of it
          even if I don't need it, I panic and don't want to run out, like I'm saving it up for sometime later when I'll be lonely. like a cheek-stuffing hamster.

          I was actually very happy when my boyfriend and I were sleeping in different beds in his room but felt awkward saying that it was my favorite.
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            Check It Out

            Mon, September 6, 2004 - 1:35 AM
            That's neat to hear that you had enjoyed it a bit. Just a note on relationships. I'm a rather old 45, and so I came to discover, after my hormones settled down a bit prematurely, that it's all about the friendship in a relationship. That is, the particular sex and money and logistics of living together and all that are really secondary to the fundamental connection,which almost feels spiritual, but not in a religious way. Anyhow, It's neat to hear that you're feeling flexible and that there are some good signs.

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